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	<title>Comments on: A Graph of Everything, a.k.a. We&#8217;re Killing the World</title>
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		<description>It is good information!</description>
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		<title>By: JayPloss</title>
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		<dc:creator>JayPloss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vinny: 

While I agree that manipulating scale and units is the common starting place for countless statistical deceptions, I think the core message of this graph depends on neither units or scale and that these can therefore be honourably (and for the sake of clarity) omitted. That message is a reminder that the scale of human impact is (still) growing exponentially on a finite Earth.

What additional information would adding in all the units provide? I would argue that the timespan (which is supplied) is much more important in a graph of this type. Changes could be downplayed by selecting only the past 30 years, or exaggerated by including 20 years&#039;-worth of extrapolation.

Also, you may be correct that virtually all the displayed changes are being driven by population growth. That the changes are easy to explain doesn&#039;t make them any less terrifying!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vinny: </p>
<p>While I agree that manipulating scale and units is the common starting place for countless statistical deceptions, I think the core message of this graph depends on neither units or scale and that these can therefore be honourably (and for the sake of clarity) omitted. That message is a reminder that the scale of human impact is (still) growing exponentially on a finite Earth.</p>
<p>What additional information would adding in all the units provide? I would argue that the timespan (which is supplied) is much more important in a graph of this type. Changes could be downplayed by selecting only the past 30 years, or exaggerated by including 20 years&#8217;-worth of extrapolation.</p>
<p>Also, you may be correct that virtually all the displayed changes are being driven by population growth. That the changes are easy to explain doesn&#8217;t make them any less terrifying!</p>
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		<title>By: vinny</title>
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		<dc:creator>vinny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I can understand your view and to some extent I agree but I&#039;m not convinced in this case. I think it goes too far. It strikes me as dishonest in the exact same way a polluting company&#039;s graph showing some arbitrary data set as proof that they&#039;ve cleaned up their act.

Just because I agree with the politics doesn&#039;t mean I&#039;ll ignore their methodology. I think even some nominal gestures towards scale or units would assuage me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I can understand your view and to some extent I agree but I&#8217;m not convinced in this case. I think it goes too far. It strikes me as dishonest in the exact same way a polluting company&#8217;s graph showing some arbitrary data set as proof that they&#8217;ve cleaned up their act.</p>
<p>Just because I agree with the politics doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;ll ignore their methodology. I think even some nominal gestures towards scale or units would assuage me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Bloomquist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Bloomquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually we are killing our selves, not the world.  The world will be here long after we are gone and I take comfort in that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually we are killing our selves, not the world.  The world will be here long after we are gone and I take comfort in that.</p>
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		<title>By: Neale McDavitt-Van Fleet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neale McDavitt-Van Fleet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, on a certain level, with what you&#039;re saying. They&#039;re almost more like &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparkline&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sparklines&lt;/a&gt; than a true graph. And yes, both sets of graphs are certainly needed to get the point across. But I think that the graph still serves to show relative increases, and a rough correlation, that a more accurate graph could not.

I personally think it&#039;s ok, in a relatively mainstream publication, to include a graph which is somewhat vague, yet easy to understand, as an introduction to more comprehensive graphs that do a better job of telling the story.

Lastly, as obvious as the data might be to some, it&#039;s the sort of big-picture report which we unfortunately don&#039;t see in the media as often as I&#039;d like. The chart helps to clearly communicate the idea that this sort of growth is not sustainable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, on a certain level, with what you&#8217;re saying. They&#8217;re almost more like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparkline" rel="nofollow">Sparklines</a> than a true graph. And yes, both sets of graphs are certainly needed to get the point across. But I think that the graph still serves to show relative increases, and a rough correlation, that a more accurate graph could not.</p>
<p>I personally think it&#8217;s ok, in a relatively mainstream publication, to include a graph which is somewhat vague, yet easy to understand, as an introduction to more comprehensive graphs that do a better job of telling the story.</p>
<p>Lastly, as obvious as the data might be to some, it&#8217;s the sort of big-picture report which we unfortunately don&#8217;t see in the media as often as I&#8217;d like. The chart helps to clearly communicate the idea that this sort of growth is not sustainable.</p>
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		<title>By: vinny</title>
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		<dc:creator>vinny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about a sensationalist graph. It contains nothing of any value. Are those linear scales? What are the units? Yeah, it&#039;s all increasing: they all come from the population growth. Not a particularly insightful presentation.

The second link (which is also used in the New Scientist piece) is far more informative and honest (but way less sexy).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about a sensationalist graph. It contains nothing of any value. Are those linear scales? What are the units? Yeah, it&#8217;s all increasing: they all come from the population growth. Not a particularly insightful presentation.</p>
<p>The second link (which is also used in the New Scientist piece) is far more informative and honest (but way less sexy).</p>
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